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> In reality Tesla FSD is still in very primitive shape.

From the article. Have the people saying this actually tried the most recent FSD build?

I used it yesterday, and it reacted flawlessly to road construction that blocked a lane, then had cones demarcating a lane that didn't follow existing road markings. Then it saw that a driver wanted to turn left from parking lot while approaching a stop light and made space for the driver to turn out. It also flawlessly executed a merge involving turning into a suicide lane and waiting for traffic to pass.

It's very good at adapting to changes and can work on roads its never seen before. There is no other production car that can do what FSD can do currently.

Does this mean it's ready for full autonomy tomorrow? No, but I could use supervised FSD today if I wanted to drive 1600 miles from Austin to Toronto with hands mostly off the wheel.

The pace at which FSD is now improving is quite remarkable. In the long run it's clear that this approach is going to be WAY more flexible than Waymo's, because Tesla has so many more vehicles on the road collecting so much more data, and throwing vast amounts of compute at vast amounts of data is basically the best way to see rapid improvement for the foreseeable future.

But sure, "concepts of a plan".



No, but I could use supervised FSD today if I wanted ...

Musk has invented his own oxymoron --- "supervised Full Self Driving" --- which means not really full self driving at all.

Your car is ready to be a robotaxi --- as long as you are behind the wheel to supervise it.

If a driver is required, it's not a robotaxi is it?


It drives itself with zero control input from me, hands literally off the wheel and feet off the pedals. That's the definition of "full self driving".

It's bizarre how people are so adamant about this when they haven't even tried it. Every passenger I've shown this to have had their minds blown.


So sit in the back seat and let the car drive and my mind will be blown --- if you don't get arrested either before or after the crash.

Waymo actually does this today. Musk has plans to do this --- someday. It's mind blowing that you can't see the difference.


Would you have sat in the back seat? How about in a Waymo?


Could you drive at all in a Waymo outside of a strictly geofenced area in a handful of US cities?

How about in a Tesla?

They are approaching this from two fundamentally different directions.


Could you drive at all in a Waymo outside of a strictly geofenced area in a handful of US cities?

Absolutely not. But how many people want to hire a taxi to drive them cross country? Near zero.

They are approaching this from two fundamentally different directions.

Correct. One has a working robotaxi. The other has some marketing concepts.


This is exactly the point and I'm consistently astounded by how many allegedly tech-first people on HN just do not get it.




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